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	<title>Comments on: AI Special Pleading</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 13:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe science-fiction could be used to try some thought experiments. Iain M. Banks&#039; Culture cycle is a very interesting way to develop philosophical and political reflections on the potential role of “intelligent” machines in an advanced society. On the Culture as a sort of “computer-aided” anarchy, see: http://yannickrumpala.wordpress.com/2010/01/14/anarchy_in_a_world_of_machines/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe science-fiction could be used to try some thought experiments. Iain M. Banks&#8217; Culture cycle is a very interesting way to develop philosophical and political reflections on the potential role of “intelligent” machines in an advanced society. On the Culture as a sort of “computer-aided” anarchy, see: <a href="http://yannickrumpala.wordpress.com/2010/01/14/anarchy_in_a_world_of_machines/" rel="nofollow">http://yannickrumpala.wordpress.com/2010/01/14/anarchy_in_a_world_of_machines/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Munkittrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle Munkittrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point taken. Your clarification of the CEV is quite good and helped me get a better handle on things. I think you&#039;re largely right that AI will ultimately help with governance and the CEV is a great step towards making sure that occurs in the best way possible.

However, what I was critiquing was primarily Sotala and Mijic&#039;s arguments in support of technocracy. 

The CEV and a FAI might indeed be excellent additions to governance and might naturally rise to the top, but Sotala side-steps that point with the statement &quot;But as you remarked yourself, both in the essay and your comment, the &quot;technocratic&quot; counter-claim is that an AI isn&#039;t a human absolutist ruler, and the comparison is thereby invalid.&quot; That&#039;s special pleading, as is the argument that the CEV will accurately deduce the &quot;real&quot; volition of a populous.

Again, I wonder what the consequences of the CEV determining the extrapolation of a general volition to be impossible, thereby ruling government itself immoral, or some other conundrum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point taken. Your clarification of the CEV is quite good and helped me get a better handle on things. I think you&#8217;re largely right that AI will ultimately help with governance and the CEV is a great step towards making sure that occurs in the best way possible.</p>
<p>However, what I was critiquing was primarily Sotala and Mijic&#8217;s arguments in support of technocracy. </p>
<p>The CEV and a FAI might indeed be excellent additions to governance and might naturally rise to the top, but Sotala side-steps that point with the statement &#8220;But as you remarked yourself, both in the essay and your comment, the &#8220;technocratic&#8221; counter-claim is that an AI isn&#8217;t a human absolutist ruler, and the comparison is thereby invalid.&#8221; That&#8217;s special pleading, as is the argument that the CEV will accurately deduce the &#8220;real&#8221; volition of a populous.</p>
<p>Again, I wonder what the consequences of the CEV determining the extrapolation of a general volition to be impossible, thereby ruling government itself immoral, or some other conundrum.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Anissimov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Anissimov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyle, the CEV proposal does not involve authoritarian rule by an AI.  Read my Short Introduction to CEV for more information, particularly the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/blog/2009/12/a-short-introduction-to-coherent-extrapolated-volition-cev/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;six points about CEV&quot;&lt;/a&gt; part.

I think some of the disagreement here may be about how hard it is to specify an AI that does stuff that humans want at least as effectively as humans do already.  We consider more-helpful-than-human AI to be possible in the long run, and James and many others don&#039;t seem to.  Our argument is never that we should install an AI dictator; merely that it seems personally likely to us that AIs will rise to the positions of higher responsibility because humans choose to vote them into those positions.  If that argument makes you uncomfortable, you don&#039;t have to take it too seriously -- if people did not want to live in a society where AIs have equal status to humans, then I&#039;m sure that it would still be possible to avoid it.  The question that faces us all is this: it seems plausible that superintelligence could be created in the next few decades, and someone will give it some set of motivations, whether it is an enhanced human or AI.  The question is &quot;What should those motivations be?&quot;  James doesn&#039;t really answer that question, he just complains about connotations of our speaking that he would realize are not about the core issue if he read the source material.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle, the CEV proposal does not involve authoritarian rule by an AI.  Read my Short Introduction to CEV for more information, particularly the <a href="http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/blog/2009/12/a-short-introduction-to-coherent-extrapolated-volition-cev/" rel="nofollow">&#8220;six points about CEV&#8221;</a> part.</p>
<p>I think some of the disagreement here may be about how hard it is to specify an AI that does stuff that humans want at least as effectively as humans do already.  We consider more-helpful-than-human AI to be possible in the long run, and James and many others don&#8217;t seem to.  Our argument is never that we should install an AI dictator; merely that it seems personally likely to us that AIs will rise to the positions of higher responsibility because humans choose to vote them into those positions.  If that argument makes you uncomfortable, you don&#8217;t have to take it too seriously &#8212; if people did not want to live in a society where AIs have equal status to humans, then I&#8217;m sure that it would still be possible to avoid it.  The question that faces us all is this: it seems plausible that superintelligence could be created in the next few decades, and someone will give it some set of motivations, whether it is an enhanced human or AI.  The question is &#8220;What should those motivations be?&#8221;  James doesn&#8217;t really answer that question, he just complains about connotations of our speaking that he would realize are not about the core issue if he read the source material.</p>
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