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	<title>Comments on: A Tale of Two Prostheses</title>
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		<title>By: Wolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People that do not wear and use arms they have to fight for with their insurances should not be allowed to publicly comment that technology. It is nice to see new developments that are useful - but if new developments are a HYPE then it is not recommended to keep advertising these. Ultimately you all pay health insurance and prostheses - that you also pay for - cost far too much money. It would be wise to focus on sustainable and solid solutions. - However, critics are portrayed as frustrated (which I am not, for example, I started to build and construct my own shit over two years ago and now have no need for your pity any more, thank you very much). Even a prosthetic arm is disfiguring and crippling - just a bit less than maybe not wearing one - maybe, but not sure. If there was a whole bunch of people that hate their iLimb and that do not wear them, you would not know about it as they would be afraid to tell the public as one such prosthetic iLimb arm can cost twice as much as a car - and you may very well assume that I know of such people, but I could not possibly comment. But do you call prepped demo parts that fall apart any moment &quot;cutting edge&quot; or do we call them &quot;Potemkin villages&quot;? Today, still about 50% of modern high tech societies&#039; arm amputees generally wear no prosthetic arms. The industry and their media reporters are failing miserably as you can maybe sell but not sustain &quot;Potemkin villages&quot;. Prosthetic arms fail because none of them ever was - or ever will be, with very few exceptions - &quot;cutting edge technology&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People that do not wear and use arms they have to fight for with their insurances should not be allowed to publicly comment that technology. It is nice to see new developments that are useful &#8211; but if new developments are a HYPE then it is not recommended to keep advertising these. Ultimately you all pay health insurance and prostheses &#8211; that you also pay for &#8211; cost far too much money. It would be wise to focus on sustainable and solid solutions. &#8211; However, critics are portrayed as frustrated (which I am not, for example, I started to build and construct my own shit over two years ago and now have no need for your pity any more, thank you very much). Even a prosthetic arm is disfiguring and crippling &#8211; just a bit less than maybe not wearing one &#8211; maybe, but not sure. If there was a whole bunch of people that hate their iLimb and that do not wear them, you would not know about it as they would be afraid to tell the public as one such prosthetic iLimb arm can cost twice as much as a car &#8211; and you may very well assume that I know of such people, but I could not possibly comment. But do you call prepped demo parts that fall apart any moment &#8220;cutting edge&#8221; or do we call them &#8220;Potemkin villages&#8221;? Today, still about 50% of modern high tech societies&#8217; arm amputees generally wear no prosthetic arms. The industry and their media reporters are failing miserably as you can maybe sell but not sustain &#8220;Potemkin villages&#8221;. Prosthetic arms fail because none of them ever was &#8211; or ever will be, with very few exceptions &#8211; &#8220;cutting edge technology&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Munkittrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle Munkittrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon, I agree with you in that the Fast Company article, in addition to many others, was overly optimistic and didn&#039;t highlight problems. I also agree that real, practical achievements should be highlighted, hence my discussion of the Jaipur foot. 

My primary concern here is that the high-profile, high fashion prostheses are designed to draw attention in the way purely functional ones do not. There is something of a reverse-discourse effect with Herr and Davis&#039; prostheses, challenging the observer. It is in that challenge, and the rejection of the &quot;oh how sad, that person has a &quot;fake&quot; arm or leg&quot; that I see the benefit.

The Jaipur foot is more important for real-world need, the high-fashion arm more important for social and normative change. They are mutually beneficial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon, I agree with you in that the Fast Company article, in addition to many others, was overly optimistic and didn&#8217;t highlight problems. I also agree that real, practical achievements should be highlighted, hence my discussion of the Jaipur foot. </p>
<p>My primary concern here is that the high-profile, high fashion prostheses are designed to draw attention in the way purely functional ones do not. There is something of a reverse-discourse effect with Herr and Davis&#8217; prostheses, challenging the observer. It is in that challenge, and the rejection of the &#8220;oh how sad, that person has a &#8220;fake&#8221; arm or leg&#8221; that I see the benefit.</p>
<p>The Jaipur foot is more important for real-world need, the high-fashion arm more important for social and normative change. They are mutually beneficial.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Kuniholm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Kuniholm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, prosthetics really are not as amazing as a lot of these articles would have you believe. Please see my own response to the Fast Company article: http://openprosthetics.ning.com/profiles/blogs/the-six-million-dollar-meme 

The reality of the advanced prosthetic arm in the pic above (if my own experience as a user and researcher is a guide) is that Carrie probably cannot actually drink the wine from the glass she is holding with her prosthetic arm. Indeed, the suspension method shown likely limits her arm flexion to the 90 degrees that she is shown with in the picture. Further, the wrist does not flex (it does turn), and the wrist movement is not reliable enough to coordinate drinking. If she is going to drink that wine, I&#039;d guarantee she&#039;ll be using her other hand.

This was my own point: at least as far as arms are concerned, the promise of human ability (much less superhuman ability) is not one that we&#039;re going to make good on anytime soon.

As I stated in my other comments, while I think that it is important to celebrate the actual achievements of rehabilitation engineers, if we continue to celebrate achievements that have not actually come to pass, it will eventually become difficult to raise money to solve problems we&#039;ve already taken a victory lap for.

So I&#039;ll definitely come down on the &quot;gloom and doom&quot; side. This is only necessary, however, because reality has been conspicuously absent from this discussion in both the popular and academic press. We can do much better, both in the lab, and when we write about the lab.

Jon Kuniholm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, prosthetics really are not as amazing as a lot of these articles would have you believe. Please see my own response to the Fast Company article: <a href="http://openprosthetics.ning.com/profiles/blogs/the-six-million-dollar-meme" rel="nofollow">http://openprosthetics.ning.com/profiles/blogs/the-six-million-dollar-meme</a> </p>
<p>The reality of the advanced prosthetic arm in the pic above (if my own experience as a user and researcher is a guide) is that Carrie probably cannot actually drink the wine from the glass she is holding with her prosthetic arm. Indeed, the suspension method shown likely limits her arm flexion to the 90 degrees that she is shown with in the picture. Further, the wrist does not flex (it does turn), and the wrist movement is not reliable enough to coordinate drinking. If she is going to drink that wine, I&#8217;d guarantee she&#8217;ll be using her other hand.</p>
<p>This was my own point: at least as far as arms are concerned, the promise of human ability (much less superhuman ability) is not one that we&#8217;re going to make good on anytime soon.</p>
<p>As I stated in my other comments, while I think that it is important to celebrate the actual achievements of rehabilitation engineers, if we continue to celebrate achievements that have not actually come to pass, it will eventually become difficult to raise money to solve problems we&#8217;ve already taken a victory lap for.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;ll definitely come down on the &#8220;gloom and doom&#8221; side. This is only necessary, however, because reality has been conspicuously absent from this discussion in both the popular and academic press. We can do much better, both in the lab, and when we write about the lab.</p>
<p>Jon Kuniholm</p>
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